[VicPiMakers Projects] Projects Digest, Vol 4, Issue 67

Mon Oct 26 08:42:54 EDT 2020

Hi Michelle, 

To continue the train analogy.   Yes,  as a train can only do simple things left right up down stop go etc.  So too can a computer only do simple things.  Load a number store it add something to it compare it skip an instruction etc.

But like with trains that can only do simple things but by combining these simple things we create a multitude of different types of trains that go a multitude of different things in a multitude of different places.

Computers also only do simple things.  Very quickly.  But when these simple things are  combined we can do a multitude of different thinks.  But under the hood the computer is still only doing loads adds compares stores and skips.

Maybe the following will help:

https://www.khanacademy.org/computing/computers-and-internet/xcae6f4a7ff015e7d:computers/xcae6f4a7ff015e7d:introducing-computers/a/what-is-a-computer

Another analogy,  the alphabet.   26 letters and look what we can do with them when we combine them!

In multiple languages too.  The same letters do English which I understand and Spanish which I don't and French which  I should etc.

⁣Deid 
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>From: Michelle Wiboltt <michellewiboltt at outlook.com>
>To: Talk about Raspberry Pi / embeded projects
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>Subject: Re: [VicPiMakers Projects] Challenge 2
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>Feel free to ignore me:)
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>But, this answer only begets a tonne more questions...see, a train can
>only go in so many directions, right? Up/down/left/right kind of thing.
>So, why so make coding languages, in plural? What do the ?other?
>languages do differently meaning what type of train track do those
>languages use/employ/travel on if not as above...?
>
>And, again, if all of this ?building? is conceived of in our minds how
>is the ?language? of little importance? We think and then, translate in
>languages such as code, don?t we? So, to label deterministic when
>nothing about it is deterministic...mind fog?
>
>I just can?t wrap my head around it? What a I missing? It?s driving me
>insane? Please advise:)
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>________________________________
>From: Projects <projects-bounces at vicpimakers.ca> on behalf of James
>Briante <briantej at gmail.com>
>Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 8:05:43 PM
>To: Talk about Raspberry Pi / embeded projects
><projects at vicpimakers.ca>
>Subject: Re: [VicPiMakers Projects] Challenge 2
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>Michelle,
>You're thinking on a different level of abstraction re: blocks.  In the
>description of  everyday algorithms, " statements are what's placed in
>the block" inorder to  create a flowchart -a visualization to a
>solution of a problem. The attachment is an example of "a step by step
>procedure " to make oatmeal cereal organized into a flowchart. The
>blocks contain statements. (Done with my granddaughter as part of
>learning programming - Scratch )
>
>On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 6:39 PM Michelle Wiboltt
><michellewiboltt at outlook.com<mailto:michellewiboltt at outlook.com>>
>wrote:
>Here?s my question, how is it deterministic if the choice of ?which?
>block exists?
>See, I can?t learn stuff with ?religious stuff? in it, I?m not allowed
>so, I need to know prior what the set up is and then, I can decide, at
>that point, which block to pick up or knot, see?
>m
>
>________________________________
>From: Projects
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>on behalf of James Briante
><briantej at gmail.com<mailto:briantej at gmail.com>>
>Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 6:27:58 PM
>To: Talk about Raspberry Pi / embeded projects
><projects at vicpimakers.ca<mailto:projects at vicpimakers.ca>>
>Subject: Re: [VicPiMakers Projects] Challenge 2
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>Michelle,
>
>I like to answer your question on ?coding? from the point of view of
>learning to code. Coding is and has been a buzz world in elementary
>school. When I tought high school, the word ?coding? only came up in
>teaching computer programming (grade 10, to grade 12). In Grade 10 (a
>4-week introduction to computer programming) classes started by
>defining an algorithm as ?a step by step procedure to solve a problem?.
>The first week was ?all hands were off computers?. The time was spent
>on identifying and charting algorithms found in everyday life. Getting
>dressed in the morning, boiling a soft egg, baking a cake etc. The
>steps in each procedure were written in blocks then placed in order to
>form a flowchart. Some steps had decision blocks. The whole purpose was
>to establish the meaning of an algorithm and the use of flowcharts in
>computer programming. An important point to note is that algorithms,
>mathematical based or code in a program are deterministic. Given a set
>of conditions there is only one outcome. So, they do not deal with
>everyday use of language. However, programming out there is not all
>algorithmic. One field of computer science deals Heuristic Programming.
>Heuristic programming is used when an algorithmic approach is too
>complex or fails to find a solution. Heuristic (Greek: I find,
>discover) programming is the technique used in AI.
>
>Any interest in learning programming?  One way is to enrol on  free
>online university courses. These courses run on a fast track and it's
>easy to fall behind or get lost. Don?t be concerned if you don?t finish
>the whole course. The first few lectures and assignments will give you
>a starting point to continue from.
>
>Here is a link to learning Python.
>
>
>https://www.coursera.org/specializations/python<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.coursera.org%2Fspecializations%2Fpython&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3443a3f20644428667d108d8795c2d30%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637392784155819822%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Mh1VOvj95g1jFhVmPvThxUMmc%2F9bxLBHeAgiKE2U8zs%3D&reserved=0>
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>Jim
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>On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 9:57 AM Michelle Wiboltt
><michellewiboltt at outlook.com<mailto:michellewiboltt at outlook.com>>
>wrote:
>That makes sense, thx Craig
>
>Michelle Wiboltt
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>From: Projects
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>on behalf of Craig Miller
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>Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 9:43:13 AM
>To: Talk about Raspberry Pi / embeded projects
><projects at vicpimakers.ca<mailto:projects at vicpimakers.ca>>
>Subject: Re: [VicPiMakers Projects] Challenge 2
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>Hi Michelle,
>
>I think you are using the wrong metaphore for coding. I would suggest
>something more like the railroad system.
>
>
>1.  Analyze the market for rail road service (will it be profitable,
>how much will it cost to build, etc)
>  2.  Plan where you want the rail cars to go
>*   Include rail stations (functions), switches (if statements),
>arrivals/departures (scheduling)
>  3.  Lay track (do the actual coding)
>4.  Test the track with loads to ensure trestles don't fail (test your
>coding, ensure there aren't serious bugs)
>5.  Maintain the entire system of tracks, stations, etc (keep your code
>upto date as libraries change)
>6.  Add new track to new destinations as demand dictates (add features
>to your program)
>
>Coding is more of a STEM (Science Techolgy Engineering Math) activity,
>than Liberal Arts. Don't get me wrong there is plenty of room for
>Liberal Arts skills in Software Development, such as writing really
>good documentation. But coding is more like railroads than actors on a
>stage.
>
>Craig...
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>On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 2:03 PM Michelle Wiboltt
><michellewiboltt at outlook.com<mailto:michellewiboltt at outlook.com>>
>wrote:
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>Hi anyone who will take my question?
>
>
>
>What it is, I?m trying to understand how coding works?
>
>
>
>So, in regards to storytelling, is it the same? Like, when u write code
>is it like you are writing a story in your head and then transposing it
>to code? The reason that I ask is, I?m on this scratch site and I?m
>trying to ?lay? out my site, story style so, what exactly would the
>structure be?
>
>Here?s how I?d lay it out if it were me?maybe?kind? .an example.
>
>
>
>Does this make sense?
>
>
>  1.  Purpose
>  2.  Layout
>  3.  Setting the scene
>
>  1.  Background
>  2.  Foreground
>  3.  Contained therein
>
>  1.  Setting the context
>
>  1.  As above etc.
>
>  1.  Setting the tone
>
>  1.  Tempo
>  2.  Volumes
>  3.  ?
>
>  1.  Purpose
>  2.  7?
>  3.  ? ?
>
>The issue that?s cropping up for me is that the ?buttons? on the site
>are set up story style but not in a style that I can relate to or, is
>it just a different story format than I?m used to, this is the reason
>for my question?
>
>
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>Me, I?m figuring that the whole of the entire internet would be built
>up from ?this? story?s style so, the foundational language would
>already be there but just perhaps, not organized in such a nu clear
>manner?
>
>
>
>Does this make sense? If so, can you let me know, perhaps then, I?ll
>make sense:)
>
>
>
>Thx,
>
>m
>
>
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>From: Projects
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>on behalf of Craig Miller
><cvmiller at gmail.com<mailto:cvmiller at gmail.com>>
>Reply-To: Talk about Raspberry Pi / embeded projects
><projects at vicpimakers.ca<mailto:projects at vicpimakers.ca>>
>Date: Friday, October 23, 2020 at 7:00 PM
>To: Talk about Raspberry Pi / embeded projects
><projects at vicpimakers.ca<mailto:projects at vicpimakers.ca>>
>Subject: Re: [VicPiMakers Projects] Challenge 2
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>
>
>Hi George,
>
>Yes, you must fork the repo in github, then create a "pull request".
>Here's a good description of how to do that:
>
>https://opensource.com/article/19/7/create-pull-request-github<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fopensource.com%2Farticle%2F19%2F7%2Fcreate-pull-request-github&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3443a3f20644428667d108d8795c2d30%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637392784155839813%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=mUOPE4F9Qy6CuyaypFLlbx78CGUKZFknogwvi2gUO2o%3D&reserved=0>
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>I just did this today (for challenge #1), and it works!
>
>Craig...
>
>On 10/23/20 6:14 PM, George Bowden wrote:
>
>I dont have write access to this github repository, so it made a fork. 
>Is that the intent?
>
>
>
>On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 5:49 PM James Briante
><briantej at gmail.com<mailto:briantej at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>Challenge 2 presentation is tomorrow following Eileen's Scratch
>Presentation.
>
>
>
>Greg H. has created a GitHub project where you can post your answers to
>Challenge 1 -
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>Consider posting your solution there.
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>Jim
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