[VicPiMakers Projects] Challenge 2

Mon Oct 26 07:52:17 EDT 2020

Feel free to ignore me:)

But, this answer only begets a tonne more questions...see, a train can only go in so many directions, right? Up/down/left/right kind of thing. So, why so make coding languages, in plural? What do the “other” languages do differently meaning what type of train track do those languages use/employ/travel on if not as above...?

And, again, if all of this “building” is conceived of in our minds how is the “language” of little importance? We think and then, translate in languages such as code, don’t we? So, to label deterministic when nothing about it is deterministic...mind fog?

I just can’t wrap my head around it? What a I missing? It’s driving me insane🤯 Please advise:)

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Michelle,
You're thinking on a different level of abstraction re: blocks.  In the description of  everyday algorithms, " statements are what's placed in the block" inorder to  create a flowchart -a visualization to a solution of a problem. The attachment is an example of "a step by step procedure " to make oatmeal cereal organized into a flowchart. The blocks contain statements. (Done with my granddaughter as part of learning programming - Scratch )

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 6:39 PM Michelle Wiboltt <michellewiboltt at outlook.com<mailto:michellewiboltt at outlook.com>> wrote:
Here’s my question, how is it deterministic if the choice of “which” block exists?
See, I can’t learn stuff with “religious stuff” in it, I’m not allowed so, I need to know prior what the set up is and then, I can decide, at that point, which block to pick up or knot, see🤪
m

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Michelle,

I like to answer your question on “coding” from the point of view of learning to code. Coding is and has been a buzz world in elementary school. When I tought high school, the word “coding” only came up in teaching computer programming (grade 10, to grade 12). In Grade 10 (a 4-week introduction to computer programming) classes started by defining an algorithm as “a step by step procedure to solve a problem”. The first week was “all hands were off computers”. The time was spent on identifying and charting algorithms found in everyday life. Getting dressed in the morning, boiling a soft egg, baking a cake etc. The steps in each procedure were written in blocks then placed in order to form a flowchart. Some steps had decision blocks. The whole purpose was to establish the meaning of an algorithm and the use of flowcharts in computer programming. An important point to note is that algorithms, mathematical based or code in a program are deterministic. Given a set of conditions there is only one outcome. So, they do not deal with everyday use of language. However, programming out there is not all algorithmic. One field of computer science deals Heuristic Programming. Heuristic programming is used when an algorithmic approach is too complex or fails to find a solution. Heuristic (Greek: I find, discover) programming is the technique used in AI.

Any interest in learning programming?  One way is to enrol on  free online university courses. These courses run on a fast track and it's easy to fall behind or get lost. Don’t be concerned if you don’t finish the whole course. The first few lectures and assignments will give you a starting point to continue from.

Here is a link to learning Python.

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On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 9:57 AM Michelle Wiboltt <michellewiboltt at outlook.com<mailto:michellewiboltt at outlook.com>> wrote:
That makes sense, thx Craig

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Hi Michelle,

I think you are using the wrong metaphore for coding. I would suggest something more like the railroad system.

  1.  Analyze the market for rail road service (will it be profitable, how much will it cost to build, etc)
  2.  Plan where you want the rail cars to go
     *   Include rail stations (functions), switches (if statements), arrivals/departures (scheduling)
  3.  Lay track (do the actual coding)
  4.  Test the track with loads to ensure trestles don't fail (test your coding, ensure there aren't serious bugs)
  5.  Maintain the entire system of tracks, stations, etc (keep your code upto date as libraries change)
  6.  Add new track to new destinations as demand dictates (add features to your program)

Coding is more of a STEM (Science Techolgy Engineering Math) activity, than Liberal Arts. Don't get me wrong there is plenty of room for Liberal Arts skills in Software Development, such as writing really good documentation. But coding is more like railroads than actors on a stage.

Craig...

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On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 2:03 PM Michelle Wiboltt <michellewiboltt at outlook.com<mailto:michellewiboltt at outlook.com>> wrote:

Hi anyone who will take my question😊

What it is, I’m trying to understand how coding works…

So, in regards to storytelling, is it the same? Like, when u write code is it like you are writing a story in your head and then transposing it to code? The reason that I ask is, I’m on this scratch site and I’m trying to “lay” out my site, story style so, what exactly would the structure be…

Here’s how I’d lay it out if it were me…maybe…kind… .an example.

Does this make sense?

  1.  Purpose
  2.  Layout
  3.  Setting the scene

  1.  Background
  2.  Foreground
  3.  Contained therein

  1.  Setting the context

  1.  As above etc.

  1.  Setting the tone

  1.  Tempo
  2.  Volumes
  3.  …

  1.  Purpose
  2.  7…
  3.  … ?

The issue that’s cropping up for me is that the “buttons” on the site are set up story style but not in a style that I can relate to or, is it just a different story format than I’m used to, this is the reason for my question?

Me, I’m figuring that the whole of the entire internet would be built up from “this” story’s style so, the foundational language would already be there but just perhaps, not organized in such a nu clear manner?

Does this make sense? If so, can you let me know, perhaps then, I’ll make sense:)

Thx,

m

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Hi George,

Yes, you must fork the repo in github, then create a "pull request". Here's a good description of how to do that:

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I just did this today (for challenge #1), and it works!

Craig...

On 10/23/20 6:14 PM, George Bowden wrote:

I dont have write access to this github repository, so it made a fork.  Is that the intent?

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 5:49 PM James Briante <briantej at gmail.com<mailto:briantej at gmail.com>> wrote:

Challenge 2 presentation is tomorrow following Eileen's Scratch Presentation.

Greg H. has created a GitHub project where you can post your answers to Challenge 1 - https://github.com/netserf/<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnetserf%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3443a3f20644428667d108d8795c2d30%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637392784155849804%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=n6HWLl9G004pLzVo7JRSydYE5liaVD76K9cmcQN9X7M%3D&reserved=0>vicpimakers-challenges

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Jim

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