[VicPiMakers Projects] Jim's Challenge - Output 10 (caesar cipher)

Sun Oct 11 12:43:32 EDT 2020

Nice one Eileen! Solving it in Scratch sounds like a challenge.

Has anyone considered trying it in a pure functional language?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_programming

On Sun, 11 Oct 2020 at 09:35, Michelle Wiboltt <michellewiboltt at outlook.com>
wrote:

> Is it a question of overthinking? Me, I see it as a question of “over”
> feeling things - on steroids, no less and from here/there,  building a
> “visual” conceptual foundation of these wonderfully warm feelings for all
> to see/feel/utilize AND understand.
>
> It kind of needs to contain our existing or newly conceived of “absolute
> love language”...like an and. And always conjoins so, what word, string,
> etc? always conjoins the all of the all of us...then, we mirror our
> movement with/by that spin around the world thing, same as our world, non?
>
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> *From:* Projects <projects-bounces at vicpimakers.ca> on behalf of Eileen
> Amirault <cody.eileen at gmail.com>
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> *Subject:* Re: [VicPiMakers Projects] Jim's Challenge - Output 10 (caesar
> cipher)
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> Just solved challenge #1 using Scratch. Hope the new ‘Test’ data will work
> just as well. Intend on showing you what I did at the end of my
> presentation on Oct 24.
>
> Have a nice week,
> Eileen
>
> On Oct 11, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Michelle Wiboltt <michellewiboltt at outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
> Ok, but there IS a watermark? thing...so, this needs to be illustrated
> meaning, if we’re creating a love �� language we want that to show in its
> entirety AND if “bad” people “break” in...aren’t they just asking to be
> included? wouldn’t it be a wanting but not knowing how to be a part of this
> fabulousity that is the (our) language of love �� So, if they “break” in
> doesn’t it stand to reason they were left out. Isn’t that our bad?
>
> Also, a language of love would have to be, would need to, continually
> fortified in order for it to remain foundation-ally strong, right white
> lights? And, its strength comes from our ever evolving
> understanding/feeling/sensing/knowing of what our hearts are truly capable
> of and then, illustrating this in the majesty that WILL be our code that
> You all create, see?
>
> Also, just a thought, what about that bit coin spin around the world tor
> thing...if we built our foundation on something like this wouldn’t this
> keep any nasty extraterrestrials at bay but wouldn’t it also, keep us ALL
> contained herein, safely.
> m
>
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> *From:* Projects <projects-bounces at vicpimakers.ca> on behalf of Patrick
> McMorris <patrick at mcmorris.ca>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2020 8:34:44 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: [VicPiMakers Projects] Jim's Challenge - Output 10 (caesar
> cipher)
>
> I agree it's not that clear.
>
> If the goal to be able to simply run the existing code on new input bytes
> then yes, "BIOPSY" is always the decrypted word since the byte array is the
> only given input. If the word changes, that hasn't been specified where
> that input would come from. So, either it doesn't change or the description
> of the second input is missing.
>
> But using a hard-coded word doesn't sound terribly interesting to code up.
> You could still write your key finding function to accept two strings of
> equal length and output the required caesar key. Then for question #10,
> call it with the word you extract from the input array and the hard-coded
> target word and write the output key. Then the problem is hard-coded but
> your code is more generic.
>
>
> Patrick
>
> On Sun., Oct. 11, 2020, 8:01 a.m. Greg H, <greg.horie at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> For me, the confusion is that we're intended to write code to derive the
> cipher key value. I did this and came up with an answer, but this key is
> only relevant "HOUVYE" / "BIOPSY".
>
> So should I take this key and make it a constant for future inputs /
> encryptions? That's what I ended up doing with my final code submission.
>
> I took out the code that solved the problem because unused code seems like
> lint to me, but maybe I should put it back to show how I did it.
>
>
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 at 17:45, James Briante <briantej at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Patrick,
>  Yes, you can look at only the first character of the string and use it to
> get the key. Comparing all characters as the advantage of catching errors
> in encryption/decryption. The code is just as short using  "compare
> strings"  of your particular language.
>
> In C int strcmp (const char* str1, const char* str2);, in C++ *int*
> *CompareText*(*const* AnsiString *S1*, *const* AnsiString *S2*); Pascal (
> Delphi) *function* *CompareText*(*const* *S1*: *string*; *const* *S2*:
> *string*): Integer;
>
> Aside: The purpose of the final test data is to see if your outputs are
> correct when you run your code with the new data. It should work the first
> time with no changes in the actual code.
> Jim
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:46 PM George Bowden <gtbowdeng at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Michelle
> If you are on a laptop or computer using chrome, you can hold down the
> CTRL key and tap the letter u .  There are things further back than that
> but its a start.  As for ink marks showing through, we try to avoid that
> because it usually reveals security holes that the bad people exploit.
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 1:23 PM Michelle Wiboltt <
> michellewiboltt at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> Please help:)
> Here’s where my crazy comes in, see this image...
> <Image.jpeg>
> Ok.
>
> Now, if u could think in terms of front back / embroidery and its front
> back...
> So, above is a code interface? But where is the back front and back? Front
> would be the website, right? So, when I do online shopping, that’s the
> front. Where is the back view of the front of the website?
>
> Another example, when writing in ink it can show through the backside when
> held to the light, kind of thing is what I’m trying to understand? Where’s
> that on the internet?
>
> Thx
> m
>
> Michelle Wiboltt
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> *Subject:* [VicPiMakers Projects] Jim's Challenge - Output 10 (caesar
> cipher)
>
> I'm looking for clarification on output 10 - caesar cipher problem.
>
> Is the intent to calculate the caesar cipher key value OR is the intent to
> encrypt the string with a pre-determined key? Initially I thought the
> question was to discover the cipher key value, but on reflection this seems
> fragile.
>
> Reasoning:
> - "BIOPSY" will work for the 12 integer input that leads to "HOUVYE", but
> it will not work for any 12 random integers.
> - You'd have to reverse engineer your integers starting from "BIOPSY" to
> get a valid set of 12 integers.
>
> I solved it both ways, but posted only the 2nd solution to github because
> only the 2nd solution will work for a random set of 12 integers.
>
> I'm curious how other folks solved this one.
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