<html><head></head><body style="zoom: 0%;"><div dir="auto">Hi Michelle, <br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">It's deterministic, not pre-determined. <br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">So, given the same set of inputs the output will always be the same for a given program. <br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">The following is probably tl;dr but maybe ...<br><br></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote" >On Oct 25, 2020, at 6:39 PM, <a href="mailto:projects-request@vicpimakers.ca" target="_blank">projects-request@vicpimakers.ca</a> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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Re: Challenge 2 (Michelle Wiboltt)<br><br><br><hr><br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 01:38:10 +0000<br>From: Michelle Wiboltt <michellewiboltt@outlook.com><br>To: Talk about Raspberry Pi / embeded projects<br> <projects@vicpimakers.ca><br>Subject: Re: [VicPiMakers Projects] Challenge 2<br>Message-ID:<br> <MWHPR02MB265630689F796F63F9FB4DD1AC190@MWHPR02MB2656.namprd02.prod.outlook.com><br> <br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Here?s my question, how is it deterministic if the choice of ?which? block exists?<br>See, I can?t learn stuff with ?religious stuff? in it, I?m not allowed so, I need to know prior what the set up is and then, I can decide, at that point, which block to pick up or knot, see?<br>m<br><br><hr><br>From: Projects <projects-bounces@vicpimakers.ca> on behalf of James Briante <briantej@gmail.com><br>Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 6:27:58 PM<br>To: Talk about Raspberry Pi / embeded projects <projects@vicpimakers.ca><br>Subject: Re: [VicPiMakers Projects] Challenge 2<br><br><br>Michelle,<br><br>I like to answer your question on ?coding? from the point of view of learning to code. Coding is and has been a buzz world in elementary school. When I tought high school, the word ?coding? only came up in teaching computer programming (grade 10, to grade 12). In Grade 10 (a 4-week introduction to computer programming) classes started by defining an algorithm as ?a step by step procedure to solve a problem?. The first week was ?all hands were off computers?. The time was spent on identifying and charting algorithms found in everyday life. Getting dressed in the morning, boiling a soft egg, baking a cake etc. The steps in each procedure were written in blocks then placed in order to form a flowchart. Some steps had decision blocks. The whole purpose was to establish the meaning of an algorithm and the use of flowcharts in computer programming. An important point to note is that algorithms, mathematical based or code in a program are deterministic. Given a set of conditions there is only one outcome. So, they do not deal with everyday use of language. However, programming out there is not all algorithmic. One field of computer science deals Heuristic Programming. Heuristic programming is used when an algorithmic approach is too complex or fails to find a solution. Heuristic (Greek: I find, discover) programming is the technique used in AI.<br><br>Any interest in learning programming? One way is to enrol on free online university courses. These courses run on a fast track and it's easy to fall behind or get lost. Don?t be concerned if you don?t finish the whole course. The first few lectures and assignments will give you a starting point to continue from.<br><br>Here is a link to learning Python.<br><br><br><a href="https://www.coursera.org/specializations/python<https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.coursera.org%2Fspecializations%2Fpython&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9d6a85ae9a3043ca67e808d8794e8415%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637392725421205932%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=cfEMMFmWZFIaOyMjrcortzswMbNq8iPdadwtGbiXhGY%3D&reserved=0">https://www.coursera.org/specializations/python<https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.coursera.org%2Fspecializations%2Fpython&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9d6a85ae9a3043ca67e808d8794e8415%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637392725421205932%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=cfEMMFmWZFIaOyMjrcortzswMbNq8iPdadwtGbiXhGY%3D&reserved=0</a>><br><br><br><br>Jim<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 9:57 AM Michelle Wiboltt <michellewiboltt@outlook.com<mailto:michellewiboltt@outlook.com>> wrote:<br>That makes sense, thx Craig<br><br>Michelle Wiboltt<br><a href="http://www.elb1b69.net">www.elb1b69.net</a><<a href="https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elb1b69.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9d6a85ae9a3043ca67e808d8794e8415%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637392725421205932%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=oOOk5R8%2BW8THoFdcNCfKgIE9Fu5OZiUeGTgIE7NMJO8%3D&reserved=0">https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elb1b69.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9d6a85ae9a3043ca67e808d8794e8415%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637392725421205932%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=oOOk5R8%2BW8THoFdcNCfKgIE9Fu5OZiUeGTgIE7NMJO8%3D&reserved=0</a>><br>604-612-2505<br><br><hr><br>From: Projects <projects-bounces@vicpimakers.ca<mailto:projects-bounces@vicpimakers.ca>> on behalf of Craig Miller <cvmiller@gmail.com<mailto:cvmiller@gmail.com>><br>Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 9:43:13 AM<br>To: Talk about Raspberry Pi / embeded projects <projects@vicpimakers.ca<mailto:projects@vicpimakers.ca>><br>Subject: Re: [VicPiMakers Projects] Challenge 2<br><br>Hi Michelle,<br><br>I think you are using the wrong metaphore for coding. I would suggest something more like the railroad system.<br><br><br> 1. Analyze the market for rail road service (will it be profitable, how much will it cost to build, etc)<br> 2. Plan where you want the rail cars to go<br> * Include rail stations (functions), switches (if statements), arrivals/departures (scheduling)<br> 3. Lay track (do the actual coding)<br> 4. Test the track with loads to ensure trestles don't fail (test your coding, ensure there aren't serious bugs)<br> 5. Maintain the entire system of tracks, stations, etc (keep your code upto date as libraries change)<br> 6. Add new track to new destinations as demand dictates (add features to your program)<br><br>Coding is more of a STEM (Science Techolgy Engineering Math) activity, than Liberal Arts. Don't get me wrong there is plenty of room for Liberal Arts skills in Software Development, such as writing really good documentation. But coding is more like railroads than actors on a stage.<br><br>Craig...<br><br>--<br>IPv6 is the future!<br><a href="http://ipv6hawaii.org/<https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fipv6hawaii.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9d6a85ae9a3043ca67e808d8794e8415%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637392725421215926%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=xVdkkJ5Lno%2B2zVb1kNwyei9kX4e1ih8X1INMfn5rV4Q%3D&reserved=0">http://ipv6hawaii.org/<https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fipv6hawaii.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9d6a85ae9a3043ca67e808d8794e8415%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637392725421215926%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=xVdkkJ5Lno%2B2zVb1kNwyei9kX4e1ih8X1INMfn5rV4Q%3D&reserved=0</a>><br><br><br>On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 2:03 PM Michelle Wiboltt <michellewiboltt@outlook.com<mailto:michellewiboltt@outlook.com>> wrote:<br><br>Hi anyone who will take my question?<br><br><br><br>What it is, I?m trying to understand how coding works?<br><br><br><br>So, in regards to storytelling, is it the same? Like, when u write code is it like you are writing a story in your head and then transposing it to code? The reason that I ask is, I?m on this scratch site and I?m trying to ?lay? out my site, story style so, what exactly would the structure be?<br><br>Here?s how I?d lay it out if it were me?maybe?kind? .an example.<br><br><br><br>Does this make sense?<br><br><br> 1. Purpose<br> 2. Layout<br> 3. Setting the scene<br><br> 1. Background<br> 2. Foreground<br> 3. Contained therein<br><br> 1. Setting the context<br><br> 1. As above etc.<br><br> 1. Setting the tone<br><br> 1. Tempo<br> 2. Volumes<br> 3. ?<br><br> 1. Purpose<br> 2. 7?<br> 3. ? ?<br><br>The issue that?s cropping up for me is that the ?buttons? on the site are set up story style but not in a style that I can relate to or, is it just a different story format than I?m used to, this is the reason for my question?<br><br><br><br>Me, I?m figuring that the whole of the entire internet would be built up from ?this? story?s style so, the foundational language would already be there but just perhaps, not organized in such a nu clear manner?<br><br><br><br>Does this make sense? If so, can you let me know, perhaps then, I?ll make sense:)<br><br><br><br>Thx,<br><br>m<br><br><br><br>From: Projects <projects-bounces@vicpimakers.ca<mailto:projects-bounces@vicpimakers.ca>> on behalf of Craig Miller <cvmiller@gmail.com<mailto:cvmiller@gmail.com>><br>Reply-To: Talk about Raspberry Pi / embeded projects <projects@vicpimakers.ca<mailto:projects@vicpimakers.ca>><br>Date: Friday, October 23, 2020 at 7:00 PM<br>To: Talk about Raspberry Pi / embeded projects <projects@vicpimakers.ca<mailto:projects@vicpimakers.ca>><br>Subject: Re: [VicPiMakers Projects] Challenge 2<br><br><br><br>Hi George,<br><br>Yes, you must fork the repo in github, then create a "pull request". 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Is that the intent?<br><br><br><br>On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 5:49 PM James Briante <briantej@gmail.com<mailto:briantej@gmail.com>> wrote:<br><br>Challenge 2 presentation is tomorrow following Eileen's Scratch Presentation.<br><br><br><br>Greg H. has created a GitHub project where you can post your answers to Challenge 1 - <a 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